July 31, 2013

  • It's Not Technically Cheating But...

    My friend, Jim*, started dating this girl at the start of the summer. They met in California where she lives and he goes to school. A couple weeks into summer break, though, Jim had to leave his new girlfriend to go home. Despite the distance, they agreed that they were exclusively dating. A couple weeks after Jim left California, his girlfriend called. She said that she didn't really feel comfortable doing the long distance thing. She still wanted to talk everyday and text non-stop, she just wasn't feeling the official label. Although Jim thought this was odd considering they were behaving the same way they did when they were in a long-distance relationship, he agreed. Several weeks later, his girlfriend called him and told him she hooked up with another guy. 

    Technically, they were not in a relationship when she did, so it was not cheating. However, some things about the situation seem a little off. First of all, she claimed they hooked up between two weeks and a month ago. (That is kind of a broad range if they supposedly only hooked up once.) Furthermore, Jim knows the guy. He also knows that his girlfriend had been spending a lot of time with this guy since Jim left California. So, Jim can't help but wonder if the reason his girlfriend asked not to be official was so that she coupld hook up with a certain person with a clean conscience. 

    Our other friend, Molly*, is still living in California, in close proximity to Jim's "girlfriend" and the guy she hooked up with. Before they stopped being official, Jim's girlfriend actually admitted to Molly that the guy tried to hook up with her, but she stopped him because of Jim. Once again, Jim's girlfriend did not technically cheat. However, the fact that she spends so much time with this other guy, conveniently stopped being official with Jim (just for the summer), and then hooked up with the other guy can certainly be seen as emotional cheating. 

    Do you think what Jim's girlfriend did was wrong? Or is she totally innocent? Is emotional cheating legitimate cheating? 

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Comments (44)

  • hey, he agreed to breaking up over the summer, shoulda known. why else did he think she wanted to break up over the summer? he should go have his fun too. 

  • This was an unbelievably painful read.The excuse is that there was a mutual agreement but the truth is that if he didn't agree she would've called him possessive/controlling, broke up with him against his will and done it anyway. It was physical cheating.Removing the label doesn't change the contents.

  • She doesn't want the label, but want to behave as if they are still exclusive by still keeping constant communication going. Stupid. She just wanted to hook up with the other guy without it sitting on her conscientious so she "ended" it with Jim*. She did not only hook up with this other guy only once and it's obvious since she gave such a wide span between when she hooked up with this guy and when she and Jim* stopped with the label. With that being said, it's STILL considered cheating, because she did not lead Jim* to believe or tell him directly that she wanted to see other people. She just wanted to remove the label which again, was stupid.

  • shesh, just breakup already.  I think everyone knows it's cheaping despite the technical loophole.

  • what she did sucked but they were barely dating and quickly becomes his new gf. sometimes I'll know a guy for like a year and I'm still considering if he's bf material. she's a greedy attention whore.

  • I don't know if it's right or wrong because they weren't exclusive and he agreed to that. However, I would not trust a person or give them the time of day after that. If he decides to pursue something serious with her and she keeps playing these games he really should have known better. 

  • Here is something we didn't read in the blog. How did all of this come about so fast with the girl and this new bf? I think something might have started before the breakup. So was it cheating, could have been. I personally read between the lines and think something happened before the Summer breakup, and she didn't want it on her mind that she was doing something wrong. Bro. Doc

  • It sounds like she's a bitch. Time to move on.

  • OK, so she called and told him that long distance wasn't working and she no longer considered them a couple. Then she hooked up with someone else. How is that cheating? I don't know the content of their calls or texts and if she was still acting like his girlfriend in them, but if she called and said she no longer wanted him to consider them as dating, boyfriend/girlfriend or exclusive, then no, she did not cheat.Everything else is immaterial. She broke up with him, maybe half assedly but she did. It's over. No point in mentally torturing himself over what she may or may not have felt or done 6 weeks ago. It's over. Move on. She doesn't want to be with him.

  • Yeah... this is not cheating. It's just sleazy. But on a side note... if she couldn't wait to get hooked up till the end of summer, she kind of sucks at being 'in a relationship'. Your friend Jim* should just accept that, or find a woman who cares about him and not about his bones.

  • Technically, she wasn't cheating- and technically, Jim's an idiot if he puts up with that behavior and agrees to her terms. If she's not interested in him enough to be faithful for just the summer, she's not that interested, period. Cut her loose and can the daily texting.

  • Technically no, not cheating. But I feel like, it's pretty clear what her intentions were as soon as she said she didn't want the label. It doesn't seem like she's too into your friend. At the very least, not enough to be exclusive. Can't be too mad at her, cause it's not like she lied about this fact, but if exclusivity is what he's looking for, I think it's time for him to move on.

  • This is the most emotionally hurtful thing one person can do to another without malicious intent.It's the equivalent of taking a container that is normally filled with Kool-Aid, removing the label, and filling it with pesticides for your garden. If the guy drinks it, even if you didn't mean to, you hurt him. If you don't feel terrible guilt and regret because you removed the label and it was his fault for not observing the difference, you are seriously an asshole. You can argue that you didn't do it to hurt him, but you're only arguing to clear your own conscience. For the guy who drank it, what's the difference if you did it on purpose or not? He was hurt just as badly either way. By arguing that it's not technically cheating, you're trying to selfishly preserve your own reputation and making it all about you which only adds insult to injury.Even if it's not cheating, the effects are indistinguishable to the person it really matters to; the person who is hurt by it.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - so basically if im dating a guy and realize hes a crazy stalker and dump him... but he doesn't want to break up with me because he enjoys sniffing my hair and standing over my bed with knives too much... i am obligated to stay with the guy and if i go off with another guy then im cheating?

  • That is such a horrible thing to do to someone! :( That is definitely cheating and Jim should stop seeing that girl. He deserves better. 

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - It's obvious from the tone you know I don't think that. Of course there are exceptions, especially in extreme cases, but for the most part the reasons I almost always hear are trivial and don't justify the pain they cause. It usually has nothing to do with the other person (i.e. being a crazy stalker) and it turns out he's a decent person, the reason for breaking things off being she "just doesn't feel that way about him anymore" sort of shit.Not that your reply has anything to do with this, but on a side note relating to the topic of stalking, I think it's inappropriate to judge a person's character based on their actions after you break things off with them (e.g. stalking, being an asshole toward you, etc.). Who a person is with you is different than who they are after they've lost a person they love.I only bring this up because women often use the whole "You're not the person I thought you were/fell in love with." thing as an invalid reason to break things off a second/third/fourth time. In reality it's like "No, I'm not the person you fell in love with... I'm the person you broke your promises to/cheated on/dumped.". You really have to factor in your own actions if you're going to judge a person. I find that women often create the conditions that cause them to lose interest.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - all im saying here is that if a person wants to dump a person, regardless of what the other person wants, its their choice to dump the person and it is their right. it is kinda weird of her to still want to be "texting all the time friends" or whatever while shes off doing some other guy... but it is her right to break things off even if the only reason shes doing it is to go have sex with another guy.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - "all im saying here is that if a person wants to dump a person, regardless of what the other person wants, its their choice to dump the person and it is their right."No such legal right exists, and there are no laws governing non-marital relationships or what they should/shouldn't entail, only individual rights apply. If you're referring to "right" as in "Morally good, justified, or acceptable.", there are certainly cases in which that isn't true and I'm sure you would agree. One such example is if a person breaks up with someone just to hurt them and for no other reason when that person has done nothing to deserve it. Or do you think a person has the right to purposely hurt others because they're free to do whatever they want without consequence?

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - so you are suggesting that the guy then has the right to force a girl to stay with him, no matter what she desires, simply because he doesn't want his feelings hurt?also, im not looking at the "moral" grounds here. im just looking at the "physically capable". physical capability is all i am concerned with in this case when it comes to a persons rights.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - See, here's where I think you're mistaken...Whether a person is in a relationship or not, they have the right to not have sex with whoever they choose, they even have the right to have sex with other people (assuming the person they want to have sex with consents, of course). A person has a right to not talk to whoever they want. Hell, a person even has the right to say they're breaking up with someone...but... the other person has the right to say they're still in a relationship. It's one person's word against the other, and neither person's rights trump the other's. When a consensus is not reached, the relationship remains unchanged.Does that make sense? If you weren't exclusive with someone and they say you are but you disagree, there is no consensus. It reverts back to what it was before: you weren't exclusive so you're still not exclusive. Same thing applies to being in a relationship. If you're in a relationship and you say you're not anymore and the other person disagrees, well... there's no consensus, so the motion does not carry. It reverts back to what it was. You're still in a relationship until you can come to an agreement.You have the right to say you're breaking up (freedom of speech), and you may sleep with and date other people (also freedom of expression), but if your (previous) boyfriend/girlfriend doesn't agree with the breakup, you're cheating on him/her. It takes two people agreeing to enter into a relationship, it takes two people agreeing to end one. It's all-too-common a practice to assume the other person will move on that nobody really stops to think what terrible damage they're doing if that person doesn't. A person has the right to end their relationship... but they don't have the right to end someone else's. You can call a person an idiot for keeping their end of the relationship alive when the other person isn't talking to them and dating/having sex with other people, but should a guy be seen as an idiot/obsessive/clingy for being unconditionally devoted or loyal? No, because what makes the difference is whether the girl reciprocates the gesture, and that's something he has no control over. All he can do is be the best person he can to the one he wants to be with. If she chooses to take advantage of that or disregard it, that makes her a total bitch and it doesn't say anything about him other than he is loyal to the girl he loves.To expect a guy to move on is to say he should do what the girl wants and respect her desires when she isn't doing what he wants and isn't respecting his. It's absolutely unfair (therefore wrong) to expect that of a person. Should  he move on if she wants to break up? Probably, I'm not disagreeing there... but if he doesn't, it's as much his fault as it is hers for choosing to enter into a relationship with someone who is unconditionally loyal (a good quality). For the duration that you're dating/having sex with other people and the person says you're in a relationship, you are knowingly hurting him/her and yes, you are cheating. Just because it's your right that doesn't make it right.To me, yes... if you break up with someone first and they don't agree, it is truly (and technically) cheating."Technically, they were not in a relationship when she did, so it was not cheating." (from the article)If you want to get really technical, SHE was not in a relationship when she did... so to her it may not have been cheating, but for him to see it that way is absolutely justifiable if he was remaining loyal to her during that time. You don't have the right to end someone else's relationship. He may have agreed to removing the official label, but he did not agree to her sleeping around UNLESS she told him before he agreed to be in a relationship that removing the official title enables her to have sex with other people, which I'm sure she didn't.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - i don't agree for the simple reason that there are some crazy ass people out there who would not ever accept being dumped.there is one universal rule to which i agree: there must be consentthis means that to be together in a mutually exclusive relationship both parties have to consent. not just one, both. once one of the parties withdraws consent the relationship is over. because once you say that a person is still in a relationship if they both don't agree about the breakup you have a lot of dangerous grey area that opens up.here is an example: you are in a relationship with a person and have decided to have sex for the first time.at the last second one of the people decides that they are not ready to have sex.if the other party keeps going... that is rape. i don't care about the "morality" of saying no when the other person is all primed and ready to go.i care that the person said no. no means no. no excuses. i don't care how they were dressed, how much the person thought they wanted it. withdrawal of consent means it is over.similarly, if one party says the relationship is over it has to be over and the other party must accept that.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - "at the last second one of the people decides that they are not ready to have sex."Um... if one of the people says no at the last second the rule still applies. They weren't having sex when the motion was brought up therefore no sex until both people agree.I'm not sure what grey area you're seeing, but you should probably get your eyes checked."similarly, if one party says the relationship is over it has to be over and the other party must accept that."Sorry girlie, but no... they don't.Sure, YOU agreed to break up with him but it's really his decision that matters, because after all, you're not cheating on yourself. You can stop talking to your boyfriend, you can stop having sex with him, you can date other people, you can do anything you would if you were single, but you cannot end his relationship. So long as you're sleeping around/dating other people and he never agreed to breaking up, you're cheating on him. If you absolutely need to clear your conscience, maybe he did something that you felt was very hurtful and he "deserves" to be cheated on... but that doesn't change the fact that what you're doing is cheating.It's unbelievably egocentric to think that because you want to break up with him that means you're entitled to do whatever you want afterward and it's his fault if he's hurt by it. What makes it worse is that for most guys, that kind of arrogant selfishness is enough to make them want to break up (and they almost always do)... so women expect it. They think they're entitled to end the relationship for both people because they almost always get their way... but some guys are more understanding and forgiving. If he still wants to be in a relationship with you despite your unfair actions, yeah... you're cheating on him, and trying to justify it as "technically not cheating" only adds insult to injury when you're giving him no say and yet you're still making it all about you.I'm not saying that if you've broken up with someone in the past and they didn't want to that makes you a horrible person. I'm saying in your future relationships, you'd be a better person than you were before if you take this into consideration. Really think about whether you're giving the other person a fair say in what happens in their own life, or whether you're forcing them to decide between moving on when they don't want to or facing unhappiness indefinitely.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - if you want to break up with a person because of perfectly justifiable reasons other than having sex with other people and the guy says "no and any guy you may get into a relationship in the future is cheating on me and you are a slut"... that isn't "fair" or "protecting anyones feelings".that's a guy being a possessive dick.a girl has the right to not be harassed by possessive dick ex boyfriends.

  • It was a safe opfion. She probably wanted sex but also wanted to stay emotionaly connected to Jim. If she spent alot time with the other guy first, then broke up with Jim to be with said guy, thats emotional cheating... is she allows feelings to develop BEFORE she ends the relationship. Sexual need are big consideration in LDR...m

  • It's too complicated for my little mind. I think the fact of the matter is that it hurt him a lot. He should just probably not go back there.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - Here are some questions I want you to think about. They're all rhetorical except for the last sentence.Why do you think having sex with another person while the official title remains is cheating?Why can't you instead text him and say "I'm going to fuck this guy I just met later today."? You can stop having sex with your boyfriend. You can stop talking to him. You can even date other people... if he asks, you can tell him to fuck off. Why can't you just get on with your life and forget all about him? Why do you (or does anybody) have to officially break up? Why did the girl in this story ask the guy to hold off the official title? There is a reason for having the official title and I want you to tell me what you think the purpose of it is, and I'll tell you why it really exists.

  • Cheating or not, it's disrespectful of her relationship with Jim. I'd be done with her.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - fine then why do you think it exists?

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - If it's not official, that will be used as a reason for many, many things including sleeping around. We know this to be true. The fact that it's not "official" means you can do things you otherwise wouldn't because you don't have to answer to anyone. When it is official, you are giving the person a say in what happens in the relationship, and (in the exact opposite way) you rightfully should answer to them before making any decision that affects him/her. Removing the title is to do something without giving him/her a say in what happens which almost always results in hurting that person, and that is cheating.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - no. removing that title is simply removing that title. when i broke up with my first boyfriend i didn't do it so i could go sleep with other guys. i wasn't even sleeping with him. sure years in the future i did eventually sleep with a guy. but i didn't break up with him so i could go have sex.i broke up with him because he was annoying and rude to me and it wasn't working out, and that was before i dumped him.i broke up with him because he sat around making fun of me with the "cool kids" so he could be a "cool kid" and i decided that i would not be the mat for some teeny bopper brat's door to social popularity.now if you honestly think there is something wrong with that and that he should have told everyone that we were still dating to spare his feelings or i was being a deceitful slut or whatever, then you really need your head checked.now i don't know what girl did some horrible thing to you that made you think that all girls who dump guys do it because they're looking for sex somewhere else but it seems to me that you are unable to look at this objectively and i refuse to argue an objective point of view of a situation with a person who is just going to become emotionally confused.not all girls are bitches and not all guys are assholes. the problem is some of them are.when somebody is dumped, broken up with, or whatever, it means the relationship is over.i don't care what the other person thinks and how badly their feelings are hurt. they need to be mature and realize that shit happens and maybe they just didn't like you as much as you thought they did.its hard to deal with, i get it, feelings will be hurt, ok big deal, but if they are unable to come to the eventual reality that the relationship is over then they need some serious help and it should possibly be in the form of a shrink.now if you are still going to argue that girls are all mean and awful and just want to sleep with other guys after they dump guys then please just fuck off. that is a really asinine attitude and i don't understand how you can hold up that all men are the epitome of chivalry while at the same time saying that women are all terrible backstabbing bitches.the world is not black and white and there are other people who have had other experiences that aren't yours, and while i can respect that you might have had trouble in the past, i cannot respect that that would lead you to hate all the women in the history of the freaking world.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - "no. removing that title is simply removing that title."Right... there's no purpose to it whatsoever. Keep telling yourself that. And saying it is just saying it, the purpose of which isn't to defend your opinion or your previous decisions.More and more it's becoming apparent that burying one's head in the sand is an advantageous trait. It's hard to hate a person for being ignorant, even if it is by choice."i broke up with him because he sat around making fun of me with the "cool kids" so he could be a "cool kid" and i decided that i would not be the mat for some teeny bopper brat's door to social popularity."Why didn't you just stop talking to him? Why didn't you just leave him alone and continue dating other people (or not dating other people)? Why didn't you get revenge on him instead?As you grow up, you (and in the distant future, all of humanity) will come to realize that removing the official title is used as both a last ditch effort to passive-aggressively hurt the person one last time before they no longer care what you think/feel and to lay the foundation for future relationships.Your reply about your shitty boyfriend makes it obvious you were using it as the last ditch effort, but of course in your little mind being "officially" single comes in handy later on purely by coincidence when you just so happen to meet someone else you like.By nature, humans take advantage of things, often unfairly and often without realizing it and continue to do so increasingly until something negative happens to them as a result. When you're an adult, it takes effort to not do this and to keep yourself in check.You are a deceitful slut, but not on purpose, so I forgive you.http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/3ACV16/05.mp3You really make it hard on a person to give you helpful advice.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - no i was not. actually both of us were ok with the breakup.once again i am astounded by the patronizing audacity you display."You are a deceitful slut, but not on purpose, so I forgive you."well then im just so glad i pass inspection!let me tell you this:youre a whinny offensive ass. most of the time i am willing to forgive you.removing an official title is just removing an official title. you can do it in person some people do it over a social networking site where millions of people see. some people write a "im dumping you" blog. some people just change their facebook status.it takes a lot of guts to break up with someone you have formed an emotional attachment to but there are times when it has to be done.you think its a one sided thing?well think about this, if he hadn't turned into a mean whinny awful bitch i wouldn't have had to publicly dissociate him from myself.no sure, i didn't do it in public, but that was the ultimate effect of breaking up with him.sometimes relationships are over and you have to let them die. there isn't anything that anyone can do about it. did you ever think that not telling him i was breaking up with him would hurt him a lot less than him finding out that i was with another guy?i didn't go find another guy after. but still, think about that.how do the people out there feel who have been dumped versus the people who have been cheated on?and no, that question was not rhetorical.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - Just some points (in no specific order because I'm kind of in a rush)..."youre a whinny offensive ass." "...if he hadn't turned into a mean whinny awful bitch..."For future reference, "whinny" is the neighing sound a horse makes. The word you're looking for is "whiny" (one "n")."...i wouldn't have had to publicly dissociate him from myself."You mean you wouldn't have had to dissociate yourself from him. Domineering much?"did you ever think that not telling him i was breaking up with him would hurt him a lot less than him finding out that i was with another guy?"Yes. You wouldn't believe the amount of time and energy I've spent thinking about this and things of a similar nature. He's going to find out you're with another guy either way. If he's hurt less because you shared a few words with him before continuing to the same end result then he's an idiot. The relationship is over either way, you end up screwing another guy either way, he is at the same loss no matter how you spin it. Telling him you no longer want to be in a relationship before continuing to act against his wishes is like telling a person you're going to punch them in the face before you do it. Either way it's going to hurt just as badly. So yeah, you're a fucking saint for considering his feelings and going out of your way to take them into consideration while still placing a higher value on your happiness than his pain.So to answer your question:"how do the people out there feel who have been dumped versus the people who have been cheated on?"I can't tell you how others feel about it because I've never asked them, but to me (when I truly love the person) it's the same damn thing. I'm not saying you're a bad person so I'm not really sure why you find my opinions to be offensive (especially when I'm always open to changing them if you present a better and more logical approach) but if I wasn't committed to someone already, I wouldn't date you unless you became more aware of your potential and as a result changed your values.I've come to the conclusion that our disagreement is based on a rather simple difference in our personal experiences. I never said it's not possible that in your life you did the right thing and you did it in the best possible way you could in regards to your specific romantic situation, so maybe it's that I'm arguing a general rule and we have different situations in mind, and maybe I would've done the same thing in your situation.I think if you were like me and found someone who you truly loved with all your heart and would devote yourself to unconditionally and that person returned your sentiment and swore you were the only one for them ever and forever and that person dumped you, then you would understand how it feels the same as cheating. Perhaps I'm arguing against myself in trying to educate you because that's something I would never want you to go through. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - yeah. ha. good luck with that. i wouldn't date you because if i wanted to have sex you would call me a slut.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - Whatever. Between your comments and mine, you were the first to even use the word "slut" (and it was to justify what you assumed I thought about you). Since you've pretty much already expressed that my opinion doesn't matter to you, I don't see how you'd find me (or rather, my replies) "offensive". I can kinda see why you'd think whiny (because of my OCD tendency to over-explain things, which could be mistaken for caring a little to much about what you think of me, but really it's because I care a little too much about my articulateness, yet another form of a compulsive urge to make things neat, clean, and tidy). I suspect that's also why you get the impression that I'm so judgmental and have such strong, unfounded opinions... because my over-explanations and going into detail probably make it seem like I'm arguing more passionately than I am. That being said, the snippiness of your replies is pretty understandable, but I just don't feel like explaining this to every person I enter a discussion with, so I tend to get snippy in return.On a side note, what would be really patronizing is ending every other sentence with "...in my humble opinion." like you're naive enough to think what I'm saying is absolute fact. I give you the benefit of the doubt that you're mature enough to take what I say with a grain of salt, so I might as well just throw what I'm thinking out there and let you interpret it as you see fit (with the understanding that I can't possibly know the whole story and my opinion is a work in progress).

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - i do not understand the new obsession with using odd yellow faces with unclear emotions to express meaning in a sentence. i also do not understand what most of those faces mean.i take the particular face you used to signify that you are smirking at me.why would you smirk at me?especially after i made that comment.is this your way of making a sexual advance?if not than the use of it is particularly bewildering.as for your attempted apology, i would have considered accepting it, but i am not so naïve as you may think in the fact that i do not believe it was entirely sincere.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - I used the most recent smiley to express a dismissive feeling toward your reply because what you said is blatantly false and I found no point in directly addressing it (the equivalent of saying "Anyway..."). When it comes to my comments, if you don't understand the emotion I was expressing with a smiley it's best to just disregard the smiley altogether. They don't really add anything significant and I kind of throw them in sloppily anyway, sometimes adding one even if it only vaguely resembles the face I would make for the feeling I want to express via comment.Although I was skeptical that you actually believed I would call you a slut simply because you have a sex drive (after all, so do I), I decided to reply in the context that you firmly believed it to be true rather than if you had simply suspected I'm just that much of a prude. I took your comment at face value and considered just how incredibly far off your assumptions about my character have been and I couldn't help but think you must've been getting the wrong impression, so I came up with a possible explanation for the disparity between the person you continue to portray me as in your comments and how I actually am. You probably don't believe it was entirely sincere because I didn't intend it as an apology, further proving my own suspicion that you're having a hard time cobbling together an accurate idea of what I'm really like. I'm almost certain it has to do with the fact that I often go back and reword sentences before submitting my comments (especially the longer ones) because I get a distinct feeling some of them are too ambiguous, and doing that might screw up the flow and the tone of my writing. It wasn't so much an apology as it was an attempt to explain what I thought was an underlying cause for our disagreement and get your opinion in order to better understand why you have such difficulty believing I'm actually quite an open-minded person who states his highly provisional thoughts frankly and openly.When I write informally on here it's almost always misinterpreted by at least one person and I'll get an irrelevant reply, so I got in the habit of ensuring my comments are virtually impossible to take the wrong way, but I'm slowly realizing that it comes at the expense of taking virtually all of the personality out of my writing and it's unfortunately very easy to assume I'm being pompous or 'stating my opinion as fact' rather than being decidedly articulate.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - you may not have consciously meant for it to sound like an apology, but that is what it came off as.as to the "fact" thing, you do often seem to be a bit of a pompous ass.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - "as to the "fact" thing, you do often seem to be a bit of a pompous ass."I started writing the way I do now so my comments aren't ambiguous and not liable to be misinterpreted due to trivial semantics for the benefit and ease of understanding of the person reading them. That's the irony of it. I'm extending more time, energy, and care into my writing for the benefit of the other person (because after all, it's advice; it's for their benefit anyway), only for my ideas to be seen negatively and thereby disregarded for their tone instead of the actual content.There seems to be a tradeoff as to whether I would rather be more frequently misunderstood or if I would rather be more frequently seen as a pompous ass.Being misunderstood is due to people not placing any significance on certain things I've written in a personal way with emotion that should make it more relatable.Being seen as a pompous ass is due to people placing far more significance than I intended on other things I've written in an objective, unemotional way that should make it more understandable. Even if it's true, the harder one tries to explain they're not an asshole, the more they will be seen as forcing their opinion (of him/herself) on others, i.e. as more of an asshole.While most people in a similar situation would quote a popular French expression "C'est la vie -  That's life."... I quote Virgil “Fléctere si néqueo súperos Acheronta movebo - If I cannot move heaven, I will raise hell.”. Even more ironic is that the expression "raise hell" has been so ravaged by misinterpretation that it has taken on a meaning of its own. Originally, it meant to improve, to figuratively "raise" it up to the heights of Heaven, to make it equal to or surpass... but of course it has the word "Hell" in it so it must mean doing something bad, rather than implying that there is an exclusivity to Heaven that breeds a negative air of elitism. If the Gods ignore your plea for rain, you dig an irrigation ditch. Thus is the meaning. "If I cannot move (the will of) Heaven, I will raise Hell.". If I cannot change your opinion, I will go about describing it in a different way. My reply wasn't an apology. It was an explanation.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - leaving a comment open to the interpretation that a guy is allowed to physically force his girlfriend to stay with him is not exactly my idea of perpetuating good advice.

  • @LauraDeLuna@xanga - Although a guy being allowed to physically force his girlfriend to stay with him is not at all what I was implying, I'll improve on not leaving my comments open to that interpretation.

  • @T3hZ10n@xanga - ok i can deal with that.

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